Sunday, May 14, 2006

MUMBAI 13th May: Peacefully protesting Students beaten up by police....SHAME! SHAME!

Dear friends and fellow members of Youth for Equality,

We all know what happened at Mumbai on 13th May. We saw it on our TV sets, read it in the papers, heard it on radio. We are all deeply anguished and our blood boiled when we saw scenes of how the Mumbai students were being beaten up.

In case you missed out.....hear it straight from the Mumbai YFE on their new blog http://www.yfemumbai.blogspot.com

The government has yet again displayed its total apathy on the issue. Its been over 2 days after the election commission's restrictions are over and we are yet to hear an answer. Mr. Prime Minister are you listening to us????

Kudos to the Mumbaikers for their unwavering determination and strength. They remained non-violent till the end, even when such brutality was being lashed upon them.
Several of them suffered injury, about 40 are grievously injured, while there are some who have suffered fractures of bones of arm, leg and jaw ; in addition to bleeding into joint cavities for some. Many others were treated for minor injuries.

Kudos also to our friends from all other cities
who not only condemned the incident but came out on the streets in protest. Friends, you may feel the media attention is only on Delhi and Mumbai, but its you guys who form the bulk of the movement and inspire us to move forward.

Friends the struggle is far from over....... we have to consolidate our resources, to be organised and united till the very end..........

Friends, some of us may start feeling depressed and feel the situation is hopeless.......
BUT NOW IS THE TIME TO ACT.........WE HAVE TO STRIKE WHEN THE IRON IS HOT....... WE CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE..........WE WILL MAKE A DIFFERENCE.........and if our voice is not reaching to our 'LEADERS' WE WILL MAKE IT REACH THEM.

158 Comments:

At 9:06 AM, Blogger Aarakshan said...

We have too make ourselves very very clear, and oppose these extra reservations tooth and nail... else our next generation, including all castes and creeds are going to suffer.

Jai Hind ! Jai Maharashtra !!

A Multi Language blog on reservation policy of sick Government.

 
At 9:12 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

keep up da good work.
the hrd minister should be asked if he would not have taken a step if his kids were prevented to enter an educational institution because of reservations.
shame on da minister for his petty politics. but askin him to quit is gonna be a waste of time.
neelotpal goswami
guwahati, assam

 
At 9:19 AM, Blogger IndianSoul said...

Proud Indian and OBC Voice...

Don't fight... This is what The GOVT wants - A FRACTURED SOCIETY. So that they can win elections in UP next year and Lok Sabha in 2008

Rather than that join hands as a single forum and fight against Poverty. Ask for NO RESERVATION but scholarships and worse reservation for economically Poor people.

PLEASE DECIDE ON MAY 25 AS A CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE DAY FOR ALL MIDDLE CLASS FAMILIES.

IM AT IT PROFESSIONAL FROM INDIA AND WORK IN UK AND PROMISE TO OBSERVE IT AS A BLACK DAY AND ABSTAIN FROM WORK.

Involve ALL PRIVATE SECTOR people/ families/ IT/ BANK workers/ FATHERS/ MOTHERS/ KIDS

MAY 25
- NO SCHOOLS/COLLEGES
- NO BANKS
- NO WORK FOR ALL PVT SECTOR

 
At 9:30 AM, Anonymous a medico frm Mumbai said...

Keep up d spirit...v all still have a LOOOONG way 2 go.....don't lose heart....JAI HIND!!!!!

 
At 10:28 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Guys,
Thanks for your support.
We will fight till end and we will win...

Dr.Doshi
Mumbai

 
At 10:34 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I was watching 'Hum Log' on NDTV right now...there was a representative frm YOUTH FOR EQUALITY (so-called)...and he was literally stammering...he had no points...in the end the host said..."u should speak logically as u r educated"
It was real fun watching it...and it ia a clear indication that all this protest is baseless...the docs have no points...and they are merely playing with the life of the patients...
Hats off to NDTV...the only channel looking on both sides of the problem...

 
At 10:47 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I just wanted you to know that students of Delhi University like me are their with you in your struggle. We'll be there with you when ever and where ever you want.

 
At 11:29 AM, Anonymous varun said...

obc voice havent got your email plus not a blogger so cant post comment on your blog.so if you make your blog accessible to non bloggers we can get in touch.pl see if that can be managed

 
At 7:05 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

it was great to see this blog.. my blood is boiling right now... it makes me so angry that i come a country where things like this happen.. you guys are making the difference. i know i would be part of the protests was I in the country...

 
At 7:29 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Last evening anti-reservation rally held in Pune!! Grand success-500-600 people present.no violence. Distributed pamphlets. Planning more rallies across d city. Please support

 
At 9:03 PM, Blogger indianskoolstudents said...

I was watching 'Hum Log' on NDTV right now...there was a representative frm YOUTH FOR EQUALITY (so-called)...and he was literally stammering...he had no points...in the end the host said..."u should speak logically as u r educated"
It was real fun watching it...and it ia a clear indication that all this protest is baseless...the docs have no points...and they are merely playing with the life of the patients...
Hats off to NDTV...the only channel looking on both sides of the problem...

dear anonymous,
come out in the open and then put forward your points.here are ours:


1. No country uses reservation as India does.

2. It is advocated to bring backward classes to a level at par with the so called forward classes post independence, and thus create equality. Practical experience and hindsight has shown that such 'quantitative support restrictions' have failed in India to secure equality. Moreover such reservation has created an idea of inequality in the 'superstructure' and 'social consciousness', by making the former feel that the latter is always a potentially exploitative class, and the latter feel unsympathetic to the actually deprived condition of a lot of such people, and rather thinking of them as opportunity stealers.

3. Any policy can be evaluated on the basis of its performance. A fifty year period of non- performance of this policy makes a clear case of its removal and a move to a better policy which leads to a social movement towards equality of opportunities rather than a forced recognition that some castes are unequal that creates a false paradigm of inequality. Thus what is required is a revamping of ideologies and social consciousness.

4. The reservation policy was announced for a period of 10 -years only. Clearly 50>>>>10. Moreover even if such a policy makes sense it is only if the reservation is for first generation backwards to break the vicious cycle they were trapped in. By extending it for so long, the policy has created a dualistic class within the backwards- with the rural backwards still waiting for a first generation reform leading to equality in status, and the urban SC's/ST's who are actually sons and daughters of well placed IAS officers or doctors or the likewise, and are well equipped to fight it out for seats solely on the basis of merit, using such protection to gain access to limited seats and making themselves more well equipped.

5. The actual backward castes today is that of the poor. It doesn't matter to which caste , tribe or class you belong to. As long as you are poor, you are backward. Thus, if the government is really interested in removing inequality of opportunity, it must tackle poverty at all levels.

6. Also, there is no point in securing benefits for a caste at higher levels of education, when at the lower levels of education, they are rejected, or have access to poor quality education at lower levels. A strengthening of provision of good quality health and education are required at the lower levels of education. This would enhance capabilities with much more effectiveness.

7. We must be clear that this is not a battle between the classes. It is battle of all classes together against the government policy of divide- and - rule. Thus we must not preclude the SC's and ST's while fighting against reservation, but rather take them into confidence, by making them realise that such a policy is as much harmful to them as to us. Thus 'them' and 'us' must be converted into 'we'.

8. The governments Short term politics must be brought to light. This reservation announcement is only a cheap measure to attract a larger vote bank, and if not for a strong expression of opinion against this politics, the government may actually have been successful in achieving its short term goal. Thus this is a reverse case : a 'predatory govt' must be made to realise an alternative path- that which would lead to a greater long run development- through intervention by the public.

9. Finally, no govt. has been able to remove the reservation in a phased out manner in the stipulated time period of 10-years. This is because of a strong pressure lobby, both in the parliament, and in other strong groups, to continue with reservation. Thus when we are formulating this strong lobby against reservation, our aim should not only be to make the government take back its policy announcement of extension of reservations, but also to use the strength of our student lobby to override the strength of the above mentioned political lobbies, and hence get reservation removed once and for all.

NOW IF YOU HAVE THE BALLS,JUSTIFY EACH OF THESE.BEST OF LUCK....KID!

 
At 9:12 PM, Blogger Dhruv said...

The big Question!

When is the next protest march in New Delhi?

And atleast 5 days prior notice please!

 
At 9:20 PM, Blogger Maharashtra Medicos said...

Police in Mumbai on Saturday brutally beat up medicos and other students protesting against reservation. Close to 20 students sustained injuries, with two of them admitted to hospitals with suspected fractures. Many others were treated for minor injuries.
This is really shocking.Not only Medicos but every Indian should condemn manhandling of peaceful
Medicos.
Yesterday Pune witnessed a huge rally by around 600 medicos who protested against attacks on medicos by police.Now the battle is gaining the momentum.
http://maharashtramedicos.blogspot.com

 
At 10:06 PM, Blogger blah_blah_blogger said...

As on today, Arjun Singh has reiterated that he won't relook into the issue...his stubbornness needs to be dealth with resolve.

 
At 10:16 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Congrats TFE
We are with you
Go ahead

It will be better if we get more and more exposore in national and regional newspapers. Lets everyone understand our feelings. Let each and every student come out and join protest against reservation. Lets prove that reservation is not the solution of strenthning weaker section.
Lets write more n more letters to newspapers editors, TV channels.

Jai hind!!!

 
At 12:27 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I priase the medicos for taking up an issue on which whole nation was sleeping and taking the kicks lying back by the opportunist politicians, i also encourage them to pursue the casue till they come up with a definate time plan to roll bacl any and all reservation.

 
At 12:29 AM, Blogger Rajiv said...

Hi guys... nice effort... nd yes... don't forget we are with you... and if need be... just call us... we will stand up against this nasty govt.

 
At 12:30 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

@indianskoolkids

Why r u demanding my identity...I may be one of you...or someone else...I am a voice against ur useless protest...

America has a reservation for blacks even in jobs...somewhat more than India.

India is already divided in different castes...look at the metrimonial pages in the newspapers...still caste based marriges...look at ur sirnames...clear indication of caste...when caste is thr...why not caste based reservations...

Who says that no body is getting benefit frm reservation...I am getting benefit...and I am now going to my village and spreading an awareness about the benefits of reservation...I am not protesting like u and wasting time...u r playing with the life of patients...shame on u

Yes the reservation was implemented for 10 yrs only...but with an aim to end the caste system...when castes still exists...why not reservations...

Why people are poor....because people frm a certain class dont want them to come up...why r u not protesting against them...why r u not protesting against capitation fees...payment fees...???

U r living in a democracy...how can u forget that here the votes decide everything...so if it is a vote bank politics....than it is...u have to accept it...plus when u can protest for ur benefits...govt can also work for its benefits...SIMPLE...

take some lessons frm the south indian states...TN and Kerala...there is 69% reservation in TN...and I think u r also aware that they are the best in the area of education...learn frm them...

You try and gether all the SC/ST and OBC against reservation...and show us their power...dont simply talk...

On this blog only...u all educated people...with very high merit are using such an abusive language...what is that?? whr is ur education?? Learn to protest frm supporters of reservation...

Do watch that episode of 'Hum Log' and u will find the actual data about SC/ST/OBCs....

Youth for Equality...why only for reservation...why not for domestic servents (kids)...why not for poors...why not for corruption...

remember what Arjun Singh said...
NO ONE IS ABOVE CONSTITUTION...

 
At 12:30 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I encourage public to see clearly through the stand our politicans take to suit them.

For medicos they are refering to the supreme court order violation and asking them to call off strike.

Why did they not follow the supreme court orders religiously in case of demolition drive?

 
At 12:33 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Let Police commisioner of Bombay and his children take the lathi beating and then claim, " IT WAS NOT A LATHI CHARGE'

HE NEED TO BE TREATED IN KIND.

 
At 12:36 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

SHAME INDIA SHAME! YOU ARE READY TO BE DIVIDED BY THE OPPORTUNIST POLITICANS WHO ARE COUNTING NOTHING BUT THEIR VOTES.

 
At 12:38 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

GENERAL PUBLIC SHOULD COME OUT IN OPEN TO OPPOSE THIS PROSTITUTION OF PUBLIC AND OPPOSE RESERVATION TOOTH AND NAIL.

 
At 1:54 AM, Blogger obc voice said...

'WE HAVE TO STRIKE WHEN THE IRON IS HOT.......'
hey.. isn't that a lohar's job? do you really think you have the muscle to perform that 'stinking obc' act ?

 
At 2:56 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The HRD minister should realize that it's going the 'Rang De Basanti' way. Just for the sake of his seat, how can he put thousands of students' career at stake. This is rubbish n this time around the Gen X should teach him a lesson.

 
At 3:49 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

JUST DON'T LET THE STEAM RUN DOWN..

THE PLOY TO MEET STUDENTS IS A FARSE...

DON'T MEET ARJUN.. WE WANT A ROLBACK... "COMPLETE ROLLBACK"

 
At 3:52 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Who is going to benefit from OBC reservations? Ever wondered?

Dalit Christians? They were converted and when they did not get reservations as Dalits, now this is a ploy to get them in the quota through back door else they were happy to get back to being Dalits..!!

It's a huge ball game.. You wont get seats and will pay money to Pvt colleges which are run by Politicians...!!

OPPOSE THIS ALL OUT AND STOP NO WHERE...

Dont get bogged down by few voices.. The nation is with you to stand..!!

 
At 4:22 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi

I wonder where all these so called upper caste groups are doing.. Sitting and singing the song of their political fathers..
Lets make it a point. whosoever doens't support our cause can't represent us anywhere..

Lets pray peace prevails and we are all United independent of class against any policies of govt. to divide massed based on religion..

Jai Hind..

 
At 4:32 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

As one said
"No one is above constition"
but it also says

"All Indian citizens are equal"

I am from upper caste but still from village where there is only a primary school, all my relatives are tilling small piece of land, there is almost no electricity..

Can anyone of supporters of Reservation can explain how will they survive..

Remember no one would care for Consitution if their survival is in Question...

Reservation is a shameful act to divide society and people who support that should be treated like a traitor..

Lets pledge to resolve to any means to stop this.. This is stepwise process. If this evil is not uprooted from its roots, it will spread to other places..
Lets everyone unite and overthrow the Congress Govt. as well as those "good" people who support dividing india..
India is our motherland and its time to payback the debt.. don't miss this opportunity..
I am sure ISI would be very much happy to see so much damange that is going to take place which they can't do in decades after spending so much time and money...
Shame on Govt...
We indians would surely come out of this vicios act. just educate everyone and act to stop what one can do...

 
At 4:41 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The reseravtion decision is sickening!
Really it will a big step backwards....
If we want our nation to continue on the development front there should be unbaised services;and not based on caste,creed....
All the support is with the protestors...Keep up te good work
No way we will give up

 
At 5:48 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yes you are true...
ALL CITIZENS ARE EQUAL...
but do u have any answer for the following inequalities...
1. Economic: rich vs poor
2. Education: literate vs illiterate
3. Social: Forward vs backwards

We Indians are already divided...the govt cannot improve the perfection...so it cannot further divide the already divided society

 
At 5:50 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

hats off to the mumbai medicos....inspite of the inhuman treatment meted out to them by the police , they didnt budge from their stand and thus epitomised the fighting spirit of YFE.we are proud of you!!

 
At 7:41 AM, Blogger eshna said...

I am really happy about our friends being acting so intelligently and systematically. I condemn the action of the mumbai police against our peaceful protestors. I am proud of how efficietly they are handling both the workload and the protest. IMA is also playing their part and I support our doctors in their opposition against the extended reservation and the brutal treatment of the students assembled peacefully. I DON'T KNOW WHEN WILL THE GOVT. REALISE THAT WE ARE DETERMINED AND NOTHING CAN DETER OUR PROTEST FOR THE EQUALITY OF THE WHOLE NATION.
Its a pity to watch our youth being treated like that and Mr PM doing nothing in this matter.
Its SHAMEFUL...
If they want the country to progress will they want inefficient
doctors. ITS ALL FOR POLITICAL GAIN. That's certain...

 
At 9:12 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Shame Shame Shame
Three patients died due to strike in Delhi. Source: IMA
Shame Shame Shame

Doctors wake up...or u will be soon in the hands of patients...

 
At 9:12 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Shame Shame Shame
Three patients died due to strike in Delhi. Source: IMA
Shame Shame Shame

Doctors wake up...or u will be soon in the hands of patients...

 
At 10:20 AM, Blogger KAUTILYA said...

The health Minister and the Finance Minister claim that 69%reservation was a sucess story in tamilnadu. Its the biggest joke of the Century. For Truths about what actually happened in Tamilnadu and why you dont have any Anti reservation protests in Chennai but hear only pro reservation voices, please read my posts at
http://neoarthashastra.blogspot.com

 
At 10:22 AM, Blogger Dr Salil said...

The Mumbai Police have further strengthened our trust in them. Not only do they rape ladies in police chowkies, now they also start hammering innocent students. Irrespective of the mother issue, i think the entire youth of India should come forward and condemn this behaviour meted out to our fellow students.
Do we not even have the right to voice our opinion?

 
At 10:22 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

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At 10:46 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

mind ur language and talk like a civilised human being...
they have a full right to express their views like you are doing...

 
At 10:57 AM, Blogger copper said...

hi, i'm neither a medical nor an engineering student. I am an ordinary working professional. However, I feel strongly about the reservation issue and the govt's response to the protests so far.

The lathicharge at a peaceful protest...wat does it remind you of? Remember Jalliawala Bagh? How peaceful protestors were beaten and killed eventually? And that was under the British rule...now we are supposedly free. Or are we? Even the Britishers condemned Gen. Dyer's act but our own PM is blind and doesn't do anything about the assaults on students. Do we want such a democracy? Do we NEED such a government? The issue here is not just reservation but the state of our country.

And no, IT IS NOT GOING TO AFFECT DOCTORS AND ENGINEERS only.. it will affect the common man more than anyone. I don't think many people realise it yet, thts why they arent coming fwd. I think that's the first step we must take. To make the NON Medical and Non engineering students realise how their life will be transformed if this reservation isn't scrapped. How many of us want to pay thousands of rupees to doctors only to be prescribed wrong medicines? How many of us would want to drive on flyovers that could crash anytime? Let's try and make our friends and families realise how this is going to have a DIRECT EFFECT on us.

 
At 11:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Everyoen is sad about the Lathicharge...what about the those patients who died in Delhi today...because all docs were on strike...
Wake up people...

 
At 11:52 AM, Blogger raven said...

could the moderator/author of this blog please mail me at nobrainsadi AT gmail DOT com.

Thanks

 
At 12:07 PM, Anonymous raghav said...

right now only 3 patients have died due to protests...if there are 50% docs from reserved category without considering merit 3000 will die at the hands of these doctors.
and what else do u expect the medicos to do...its like u deny human rights to a person and then again blame him for protesting against it.

 
At 1:10 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

by lookin at this nation wide movement by doctors i guess people from so called high class society come in to some action by next election , firstly to vote as a responsiblity and secondly to elect the candidate with sound thoughts and not like the present one... undergraduates , interns and resident docotors involved have done a great job but sad that this govenrment is as deaf , blind and mute as ever on any issues related to general category population,as they are never the vote bank as reservation class is.. no strike would have gain such support as we medicos did all over nation.. government should take notice of this and indeed urgently as doctors are already on hunger strike.. government by reacting late is just a lazy attitute, y descision cannot be taken in one night stand when its health service which is getting affected. are they not responsible in delaying the issues.. its open fact that this government is just playing a political gimic as usual .. long back it was in 1990 and now after 15 yrs again history repeats itself...i request via this channel to all students of india to remain united....i pray to god to give enough strength to youths to fight for equality

 
At 7:27 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ask your fellow doctors not to treat these politicians and policemen.....


banjarayouth

 
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At 10:01 PM, Anonymous princess said...

fuck the law!

 
At 11:02 PM, Blogger Youth_Engg said...

I'm an engg student. my college collueges want 2 join the protest march. please guide.....

 
At 11:03 PM, Blogger Youth_Engg said...

i'm an engg student. my college collueges want 2 join the protest march. please guide as to hw to go about it...

 
At 11:21 PM, Blogger light_of_erindir said...

As much the "open" caste people would like to do away with quota
altogether, It cannot be done in just one step.The current quota system is very badly flawed, yet,The government cannot possibly rethink on decreasing the quota immediatly...it will lose a major vote bank.


So there has to be some negotiation so that the open category AND the
castes will both eventually get justice. The HRD minister has said that the gov is looking for a all-inclusive solution to the reservation debate.

Should you get achance to interact with the HRD minister,Here are some suggestions that I propose you should include:

(1) The quotas cannot go on forever.Seek to end the quota system or atleast limit to least amount in a stipulated time frame...say 25-50 years.This should be done not in one step but decrease 1-2% of quota per year and finally abolish it altogether.Thus the changes will be gradual.

Thus the caste people will be pressurised to perform but in a gradual manner.

(2) Do away with separate quotas for BC, OBC, SC/ST, NT and the likes. One caste cannot be more repressed than other. A person can only be entitled for caste benefits or not. There should be no subdivisions so that only the most meritorius candidates even amongst the caste people should get admitted.

(3)Finally encourage GOs and NGOs to elevate the status of caste people to enable them to compete on equal grounds.

 
At 1:12 AM, Blogger indianskoolstudents said...

read the latest entry.... abstract view

 
At 1:29 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

We Want Reservations!!

Starting With Cricket, 50 % reserved for OBCs.
No bowler can bowl at more than 60KM/hr. Two runs by an obc will be
scored as 4 runs, a 4 as a sixer and a sixer as 10 runs.
An obc, sc or st can throw a no ball, and a white ball without
penalty,he can hit a general category student on the head while
bowling, a General category student cannot even wear a helmet, he has
to play without any protections.Two hands one tippa is allowed only
for obc and sc st players.
Shame on us this is our TEAM INDIA World Cup 21st century.

 
At 1:30 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

TEAM INDIA 21st Century

Starting With Cricket, 50 % reserved for OBCs.
No bowler can bowl at more than 60KM/hr. Two runs by an obc will be
scored as 4 runs, a 4 as a sixer and a sixer as 10 runs.
An obc, sc or st can throw a no ball, and a white ball without
penalty,he can hit a general category student on the head while
bowling, a General category student cannot even wear a helmet, he has
to play without any protections.Two hands one tippa is allowed only
for obc and sc st players.
Shame on us this is our TEAM INDIA World Cup 21st century.

 
At 2:01 AM, Anonymous Son of India said...

Please visit www.indian-patriot.blogspot.com ,
and leave your comments on the raging issue of RESERVATION,and add solutions to solve this problem

 
At 2:03 AM, Blogger Girish said...

Way to go guys, I have really liked the way you guys have gone about your protest. Its very inspiring. Although I might disagree with some of your views on the need for reservations, but I believe this is the right way to go about demanding for a national debate. I know why the government is doing it, please note that in todays circumstances if they don't do populist things, they will be thrown out of power! So keep the good work going... and hope we are able to have a middle path which will be good for the country...

 
At 3:00 AM, Blogger citius altius fortius said...

you know why Rang de Basanti was as big a phenomenon as it turned out to be. You don’t play with our self respect Mr.Singh. I understand you successfully implemented a 49.5% reservation in Madhya Pradesh a couple of decades back. Lightning strikes just once. And yeah, what goes around comes around. Except that, its your turn to be hit by the collective thunder.

In conclusion, all I would state is, even after having said what I have, I would still want you to have a peaceful twilight of your life. So heed the call of a generation.A generation which will not let merit become a victim of whimsical eccentricity.A generation which will be celebrated for its resurgence and tenacity. A generation which will not take things lying down. A generation,clearly, whose time has come.

Else, kindly keep off from the morning walks. Like I said, Rang de Basanti is cult. And to us, defence minister ho, ya human resource, kuch farak nahi padta.Amen.

 
At 3:01 AM, Blogger citius altius fortius said...

to read more about this visit www.phoenix-medicos.blogspot.com

 
At 3:31 AM, Blogger Youth_Engg said...

indiandoc..... please let us knw about the protest march a couple of days in advance... v wud b dere....

 
At 3:36 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

sarfaroshi ki tamanna ab hamare dil mein hai
dekhna hai zor kitna bazu e katil mein hai...
na jhuke jo sar kabhi vo sar jhuk sakte nahi...
hai junoo lahu mein jiske,wo hath kat sakte nahi...
ab hamara jo kadam hai samne manzil mein hai...dekhna hai zor kitna bazu e katil mein hai.....

 
At 5:38 AM, Blogger kkaushik said...

This is what I wrote to President of India, upon seeing the brutal treatment given to medicos ;

Sir,

I am a lawyer in Mumbai and at 12.30 am watched the news in horror, showing young students (doctors) being brutally beaten up before the Governor's bunglow. And for what ... for representing against the issue of reservations.

Leaving the politics aside, I look up to you as a model citizen first, and the President later. You espouse the cause of youth so eloquently and I am absolutely enamoured by it.

Then why are you silent, when students are being beaten up in Delhi and now in Mumbai.

As a first citizen of India, you have to react to this horrific administrative failure of an action. Moreso because it happened before the residence of your representative (Governor) in Mumbai.

Some eight hundred years ago, the then Sultan of Delhi, Balban, to quell the rebellion of Tughril Khan in Bengal had carried out massacre of all rebels and hung their bodies on both sides of road in Lakhnauti (Dhacca).Are we still living in those times ?

Dr. Rajendra Prasad is known to have spoken his mind, keeping all politics aside, and I have read that he even threatened to quit instead of compromise on his beliefs. You adorn the same chair. Why are you silent ?

Your children are beaten up before your very eyes and you watch in silence ... Sir, with all humility, I would prefer to see you resign.

 
At 6:09 AM, Blogger Bhushan said...

Kudos to all the members of YFE... somebody had to do this, and you people did this... All the best in your efforts... Let's get all together to stop this non-sense... Politicians are didviding this nations for their own benefits... we should not allow this to happen... Today there are going to be Pro-OBC protests in Mumbai and Delhi... See the brutal effect of this ordinance, even before it comes into picture this has divided us into 2 groups- one for reservations and the other against reservations...
This is not at all good for the democracy like ours, where our fate is in the hands of the people like Arjun Singh and other ministers, who under the name of equality are strengthning their vote banks... this is one thing which is going to stop India from moving ahead... We need to draw a line somewhere...

We should appreciate the efforts of all Delhi and Mumbai medicos, students who inspite of Police brutalites didn't give up, and are continuing to inspire the youth of India... Well Done...

 
At 6:33 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Cool! I will definitely ask my friend in school whether he is from upper caste or backward caste.
Coz I cannot afford to hang around with him whiling away time. he has the luxury of reservation to get into a good college. I have to fight it out..LIKE A MAN.
PS: Doctors ..please modify ur visting cards like Dr.X or (Quota)Dr.X

 
At 7:50 AM, Anonymous sonal_kulkarni83@hotmail.com said...

Guys, the initiative taken by these medicos ppl has been in many students mind since long.. but could not do it. i really respect the courage that these medicos have shown.. the brutality by police has given a big shame to INDIA.. how could they do this to doctors?? who r considered nxt to God..
plus wht after the strike on 15th May that was carried out. the cabinet says 'it will find some solution to this this that will satisfy students of all sections'
I say, it is all LIES.. juz to stop this protest and nothing else..
am surprised that the students though willing to meet Mr. Manmohan Singh although cannot meet but atlst there should be some statement/s from Prime Minister himself after all this issue.. v all want to here from him now.. why isnt he coming in front of the media? and he should actually make it a point to address to these students.. after all he is PM for the country and its ppl.

 
At 8:55 AM, Anonymous Vikrant said...

Well me Friend I and other students clearly suppot you and dont feel that only medical and engg students are with you, Other students are just waiting to get situation worst. It wud be a replacement to my injured friends. Just w8 guys....other students are marching on way.

 
At 9:07 AM, Blogger indianskoolstudents said...

# OBCvoice:
stop showing your desperation for trying to gain sympathy...
but hey i have a solution: extend the reservations to 100% and let all the protesting students get OBC certificates and become OBCs....you disapprove the upper caste??
imagine...we love you so much..we are gonna be a part of you...obc voice!!!
INDIA-OBC country...the-ever-developing-never-developed country...lol!

 
At 9:07 AM, Anonymous shivi said...

@People
1 Solution,
just kill the bastard, sad part is that we indians are not brought up this way........we shd kill this hopeless handicapped oldie n any1 who tries to act funny.
Disgusting.Kill Arjun Singh.Isn't he even scared for his life tell him to get out widout body guards, that loser

 
At 9:11 AM, Anonymous protest-supporter said...

INQUILAAB ZINDABAAD!

 
At 9:20 AM, Anonymous varun said...

dhruv :its on 20th may jantar mantar 10am.please spread the message

 
At 9:34 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well the person with OBC voice....its sad with ur sad idea that u consider all as OBD. i am lucky that i am not born that way, else i cudnt see all this, how can u be proud to get reservation which u dont deserve. Study well and get it. Huh, thats what mentality of lower people.

 
At 9:49 AM, Anonymous mina said...

obcs show their 'becharapan' to gain sympathy....they dont have enough self respect to deny admissions to seats which they dont deserve...the seats they are getting has been snatched away from a deserving student...then they feel its their right to get into iits without talent or brains...
im proud to be non obc-i dont have backward thinking like them.

 
At 9:57 AM, Blogger Shekhar said...

I noticed that you guys have put up a blog and stuff. Very nice job there. But your internet campaign lacks the punch. Your websites are full of text, text and more text. Impressions are not created by texts, friend - you gotta have pictures and videos. I saw the Sahara coverage with this very good anchor man on Tuesday May 16 at 9:00 night. These people had wonderfully depicted the entire struggle in moving and still pictures. Video of AN Roy blatantly lying about lathi charge had been put beside the video of the lathi charge showing AN Roy's lie in action - excellent way of depicting the truth. That beats the daylight out of pages and pages of text.

Here's what I suggest: Create a parallel website which consists of pictoral (for low bandwidth users) and video (high resolution for higher bandwidth users and low resolution for low bandwidth users) depiction of the entire drama that has unfolded in the past few days in the face of this unprecedented agitation. Rope in the Sahara media people if possible - that'll save you a lot of time in gathering and formatting the clips and pics. And remember - the files should be light weight so that the website is not bogged down due to bandwidth strangulation and poor bandwidth users are also able to view the website without problem. One more thing - keep the website independent of operating system or browser specificness - Windows and Internet Explorer are not the only software out there, y'know.

This is no ordinary agitation, my friend. This is the first time in the history of India that a movement is happening on this scale without the presence of central leadership or afiliation with any political party. So let not only Indians, but also the entire world know that it can be done - by the people for the people.

 
At 10:16 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Calling all concerned citizens- protest OBC reservations: saturday, may 20 at jantar mantar at 10000hrs. be there

 
At 10:30 AM, Anonymous Pankaj said...

All the protest is definitely making the people aware but as far as the politicians go they only understand the language of votes. To make them here here are two suggestions.

1) Next protests should have placards that read "My vote counts and I will cast it" or some variation of that.

2) Lets start a email campaign that signs up people who will not vote for a party that subscribes to the policy of reservation.

few lakh names from each city will be sufficient to make some politicians listen to us.

 
At 10:45 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

hi all..
i feel exhilarated with the spirit of youth fighting against all odds to bring in equality..
i completely agree tht there should not be reservations on caste basis coz this is breeding nothin but the same british poliy of divide and rule.today as conscious people of india we need to oppose this same policy of the indian govt.instead of reminding people of the caste they come from,its important to subsidise the education of those who are deserving and who cannot afford higher education..this protest against the reservation is not a fight against our own brothers and sisters of the nation but a fight against this policy of our govt who persistently create inequality amongst the masses.
in a field like medicine as many people say is a noble profession and only those who are really the cream of the lot enter the field(which is independent of so called caste and creed),in such situations dont u think that merit should be the foremost factor on the basis of which our PG admissions should take place followed by aid to those meritorious students who cannot afford the education.after all its a matter of life and death we r dealing with!
so friends we must continue the agitaion and bring abt awareness amongst our friends that this
is a fight agaist the vote bank politics and not our fellow students..afterall who does not want the progress of our country.
im with u in the agitation..
Dr Usha kanavi
intern,mumbai.

 
At 12:50 PM, Blogger Deepak said...

Hi,

If we accept his policy, every other person of govt will introduce some new policy like that for the political purpose and there will be no space left for us atleast in this country.
This is not our govt, we are being hrassed as we are less in number.This should become a resolution like we had 60 yrs for independence.

 
At 8:14 PM, Anonymous sk.in.mbt said...

Gud to see all f u fitin against da reservation. keep it up.
BUT JST MAKE SURE DA PATIENTS AND DA NEEDY ARE HELPED DURING THIS PERIOD . remember 'equality' dat shoud b shown to da poor also

 
At 8:17 PM, Anonymous raghav said...

hey school kid blog guy...that was a good one..but allow non blogger members comments also..

 
At 9:08 PM, Blogger indianskoolstudents said...

raghav...
sure i would make that change...more posts are coming up now...so keep in touch.
also we skool students will participate in the protest 20 may 10 am jantar mantar....so lets join our hand people...and unite against injustice!!
we are one!
INQUILAAB ZINDABAAD!
VANDE MATARAM!

 
At 9:51 PM, Blogger obc voice said...

mina
'obcs show their 'becharapan' to gain sympathy....they dont have enough self respect to deny admissions to seats which they dont deserve...the seats they are getting has been snatched away from a deserving student...then they feel its their right to get into iits without talent or brains...'
look at that guys..and you vikas yadavs(obcs) who have teamed up with these manu sharmas- are you under any galatfehmi that these people really respect you ? ha.

 
At 10:07 PM, Blogger lucifer said...

I HAVE SUDDENLY STARTED LIKING THE IDEA OF RESERVATIONS..........

WHEN I WILL COMPLETE MY MBBS, I WILL HAVE ONE FOR MY PATIENTS TOOOO........

50% FOR GENERAL CATEGORY....OF COURSE...
SO EVEN IF A OBC OR SC/ST WOMEN IS IN LABOUR I STILL WOULD'NT ADMIT HER BECAUSE IT WILL BE THE GROSS VIOLATION OF GOVT'S QUOTA. EVEN IF 'RESERVED' BEDS FOR GENERAL CATEGORY ARE COMPLETELY EMPTY.

EVEN IF A OBC,SC OR ST PATIENT COMES WITH MORE THAN 70% BURNS . I WILL NOT ADMIT HIM . BECAUSE I WILL NOT BE ACCORDING TO OUR GOVT'S STAND.
I WILL NOT EVEN TREAT A 1 MONTH OLD GIRL(OBC....!!!.. OF COURSE )IF MY QUOTA FOR OBC IS UP.

GOD PLEASE FORGIVE ME FOR SAYING ALL THIS....!!

OF COURSE , I AM A DOCTOR AND IN KNOW WAY I AM GOING TO DO THIS..!!

BUT ARJUN SINGH IS DOING THIS TO US . WE ARE THE VICTIMS.....HELP US....!! IF U DONT WANT US TO DO WHAT WE DONT WANT TO DO.

I WANT TO SAY AGAIN THAT I AM NOT AGAINST SC,ST OR OBC IN ANY WAY.
I LOVE AND CARE FOR THEM AT LEAST MUCH MUCH MORE THAN ARJUN SINGH DOES.BUT I AM ONLY AGAINST GOVT.'S RESERVATION POLICY FOR THEM.

I ALSO WANT TO SAY AGAIN THAT WE ARE NOT SAYING THAT BACKWAD'S ARE NOT MERITORIOUS.
THEY ARE AS MERITORIOUS AS WE ARE AND SHOULD BE JUDGED ON THE SAME SCALE AS EVERY BODY ELSE.

 
At 10:10 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"YOUTH FOR JUSTICE"


JOINT PROTEST


WE APPEAL ALL STUDENTS, YOUTH, PROFESSIONALS, ORGANISATIONS, CALL CENTRES, INSTITUTES, COLLEGES, UNIVERSITIES, ASSOCIATIONS, INDIVIDUALS , ALL OF YOU TO JOIN THE STRUGGLE AGAINST "DIVIDE AND RULE" VOTE BANK POLITICS .





PROTEST AGAINST DIVISIVE RESERVATION POLICY


21st MAY

INDIA GATE

10:30am

FIGHT FOR RIGHT

COME , JOIN THE STRUGGLE

THIS IS HIGH TIME WE ALL SHOULD COME TOGETHER

BECOME COORDINATORS, MOBILISE AS MANY AS YOU CAN

FORWARD IT TO OTHERS


BE THERE


CONFIRM YOUR PARTICIPATION NOW





--
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fight for your right

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At 10:24 PM, Blogger indianskoolstudents said...

gareeb hain to bina talent ke engineer bana de?
merit nahi hain,bina schooling ke doctor ki degree dilwa de...
if entrance to iits/iims and aiims is justified without school education to ek kaam karte hain na...sare obcs ko aise hi degree de dete hain...without course...whatsay??u like the idea?mr obc??

 
At 10:31 PM, Anonymous saurabh said...

obcvoice,
we respect anybody who knows how to respect himself.those who believe in snatching away rights of others deserve not to be respected in anyway.
u call us manu sharmas?
we never killed anybody and went scotfree...we bore the lathis yet stuck to non violence.we are hunger striking for justice for all,yet working overtime so that patients dont have trouble.all ways,loss is ours...you dont worry,you will still be respected.
Those who are supporting us will get justice,those who are with us will get complete respect and consideration.
For those who are not with us,we expect respect for our struggle,not calling us MANU SHARMAS or our protest as NAUTANKI...
mr/ms obc voice.i only pity you.you consider yourself more an obc and less an indian.

 
At 10:44 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

TO OBC VOICE...

I WANT TO ASK YOU AGAIN THAT WHY YOU LOVE CALLING YOURSELF BACKWARD SO MUCH, WHEN ALL OF US WANT TO CONSIDER U AS A FELLOW INDIAN.

CAN 100%RESERVATION IN CENTRAL UNIV. SOLVE THE ENTIRE PROBLEM....!

NO, IT CANT. SO HOW CAN 50%,27% DO SO.....

YES I AGREE, THERE USED TO DISCIMINATION AGAINST YOUR COMMUNITY AND MAY BE STILL THERE IS. BUT RESERVATION IS NOT AT ALL THE SOLUTION. THERE ARE MUCH BETTER AND MUCH MORE PRACTICAL METHODS FOR UPLIFTMENT THAN RESERVATIONS. BUT POLITICIANS WONT DO IT BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT SINCERE ABOUT IT AT ALL. THEY WANT TO KEEP U OPPRESSED SO THEY CAN AGAIN AND AGAIN ASK UR VOTES IN EXCHANGE OF UPLIFTING U........!!. BUT IF THEY UPLIFT UR COMMUNITY WHAT WILL THEY EXCHANGE FOR UR VOTES...!!

50 YEARS OF RESERVATIONS HAVE NOT UPLIFTED ANY SC/ST AND NOR WILL 60 YEARS, 70 YEARS OR INFINITE NO. OF YEARS. SUCH A POLICY WILL ALSO CREATE A VERY DANGEROUS CASTE SYSTEM IN COLLEGE CAMPUSES WHICH WILL ONLY HARM STUDIES.

ASK FOR UPLIFTMENT BUT NOT FOR QUOTAS AND RESERVATIONS.
IF U ASK FOR SCHOLARSHIPS,FREE AND COMPULSARY QUALITY EDUCATION FOR ALL RATHER THAN QUOTA, YOUTH FOR EQUALITY AND WE ALL ARE WITH U.

RESERVATIONS WILL ONLY MAKE U MORE AND MORE BACKWARD, WILL MAKE CASTE SYSTEM MORE PROMINENT AND DISCRIMINATORY.

say no to reservations

 
At 10:56 PM, Blogger obc voice said...

'Buland Bharat Ki Sharamnaak Tasveer..Humare OBC, Humare OBC!'
this was a comment on the preceding post (by proudindiandoc)...hey obcs this is what they really think of you!

 
At 11:03 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Instead of peaceful protest , we should kill the lalu, paswan , VP singh and arjun singh.

 
At 11:06 PM, Blogger obc voice said...

'ASK FOR UPLIFTMENT BUT NOT FOR QUOTAS AND RESERVATIONS.
IF U ASK FOR SCHOLARSHIPS,FREE AND COMPULSARY QUALITY EDUCATION FOR ALL RATHER THAN QUOTA, YOUTH FOR EQUALITY AND WE ALL ARE WITH U.'
so we are supposed to ask for all that? and you'll sit back & enjoy subsidised education and keep telling us how stupid we are through your 'arun shourie questions' and 'indian cricket team jokes'?
try to recall how many times you, or any of your folks, actually participated in rallies which asked for 'free and compulsory quality education for all', in the last fifty years?

 
At 12:16 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I c this blog is extremely active...just as the protests n the strikes. I am from Mumbai n wish 2 extend my support 2 u guys 2, in Delhi.
All the very very best
Run On...the Nation will follow.
-Krishna.
krishnamvyas@yahoo.com

 
At 2:09 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

hi everyone,
I am very happy with the revolution going on in the country.These petty politicians are doing anything and everything so that they can get votes.They are playing with students lives just for their greed and why is The PM silent?? He has to say anything for everything and in these days not a single comment or his face is not also seen in newspapers either. What is going on?? All this seems to be just like Rang De Basanti style and very soon if Arjun Singh is killed it would be the best.And to people who support the reservation system let them introduce scholarships for you all so that atleast others are not affected.What a shame it is to beat up students??And then they expect people to study in their own country?? How could they if we students are DISOWNED BY OUR OWN COUNTRY!!! Mr. Prime Minister we will fight for our rights as our pledge only states in the first line only that All Indians are equal dont you understand the meaning of it?? Friend i m with u and am ready for any support you want. In the end I am just wondering how can they call india a Democratic nation??????

 
At 2:51 AM, Blogger obc voice said...

anonymous,
'All this seems to be just like Rang De Basanti style and very soon if Arjun Singh is killed it would be the best.'
such peaceful intentions! this show should go to the oscars.
'I am very happy with the revolution going on in the country.'
a revolution to maintain the status quo? that's a new definition.

 
At 3:20 AM, Blogger Sayan said...

I think we should have job reservations in all the fields. I completely support the PM and all the politicians for promoting this. Let's start the reservation with our cricket team. We should have 10 percent reservation for muslims. 30 percent for OBC, SC/ST like that. Cricket rules should be modified accordingly. The boundary circle should be reduced for an SC/ST player. The four hit by an OBC player should be considered as a six and a six hit by a OBC player should be counted as 8 runs. An OBC player scoring 60 runs should be declared as a century.
We should influence ICC and make rules so that the pace bowlers like Shoaib Akhtar should not bowl fast balls to our OBC player. Bowlers should bowl maximum speed of 80 kilometer per hour to an OBC player. Any delivery above this speed should be made illegal.
Also we should have reservation in Olympics. In the 100 meters race, an OBC player should be given a gold medal if he runs 80 meters.
There can be reservation in Government jobs also. Let's recruit SC/ST and OBC pilots for aircrafts which are carrying the ministers and
politicians (that can really help the country.. )
Ensure that only SC/ST and OBC doctors do the operations for the ministers and other politicians. (Another way of saving the country..)
Let's be creative and think of ways and means to guide INDIA forward...
Let's show the world that INDIA is a GREAT country. Let's be proud of being an INDIAN..
May the good breed of politicans like ARJUN SINGH long live...

 
At 4:19 AM, Blogger eshna said...

I wish good luck to our protestors in our fight against the extended reservation. But I want to ask the engineering students why are they not jumping into this rally???ARE THEY SO MEAN THAT THEY CAN'T SUPPORT THIER MATES IN THEIR FIGHT??Why are they not thinking about the future engineers. Don't they have any responsibilities towards them?

 
At 4:24 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

lstn ppl...y r v wastin time...lets jus kill all these losers....i can safely call myself the most non discriminatory person....wats the child with merit got 2 do?....???n wats d prob with these leaders? cant they jus increase quality edu. in primary institutions??...then v can all comepete equally aftr xlass 12??...so r these leaders so sick that all they care is for themselves??.....isnt it disgustin...till recently i was proud 2 b indian....India was progressing....so wat nw....i say if v dnt kill arjun singh et all these "men aimin at SOCIAL JUSTICE" lets jus go 2 US n UK ....increase brain drain....do these leaders even kno the meanin of soc justice??...do they even treat their servants like humans??....so now v have the "humanitarian arjun singh"...so all those beauty queens hu answer "my idol is mother teresa" shud switch over 2 honorary respected mr arjun singh???....n wats with the congress?....so this is the "CENTRIST" party...politics suks....if i had 2 vote i wudnt hav much choice. i guess i wud vote fr the independent candidate with d best symbol!!.....n oh mrs sonia gandhi is so engrossed in her rae barelli win n her son that she seems 2 hav forgotten d poor students....imagine beatin up those students hu work their ass off durin 11th n 12th 2 get in2 reputed colleges like aiims n mamc gettin beaten n goin on hunger strikes...havnt these docs dun enuph already..???...u thnk its easy 2 study 24 hrs fr 2 yrs only 2 kno that an undeservin student tuk ur seat ???....n shut up abt the crap of increasin seats...so serisuly do u thnk its possible 2 accomodaye so many more ppl in the tiny campuses???....wake up ppl....this isnt democracy ....this is just sad.....n pls fight....its for our country.....

 
At 4:50 AM, Blogger simon said...

Lets act to shake the government. We have already seen that the govenment does not listen to peaceful protest and hunger strikes. It's only when Hospitals are closed some bug rings in their ears.

Unless and until we shake the infrastructure of the country we will not be taken seriously.

Let us
1) Close all educational institutions.
2)Stop working in govenment offices.
3) close all hospitals(That will be tough for patients but no choice)

Our biggest advantage is that our short sited pro OBC protesters can not do the same.

Listen guys we have to do it this time. We have to irradicate this social injustice.

abolish reservation
ITS NOW OR NEVER

 
At 4:59 AM, Blogger indianskoolstudents said...

hey people just stop justifying this OBCvoice man...he is preparing the OBCs for riots in the country..he believes in dividing the country on communal lines..he doesnt believe us if we say we dont consider our fellow obc students as obcs...he thinks we are as selfish as him.
Anyway,its just futile to justify ur self in front of this obcvoice who doesnt know the meaning of democracy...or what equality means..or what..development means...or what justice means...he only knows one anthem...which is:

"OBC bechare..
upper caste ke maare...
khana nahi milta to doctor ki degree dedo..
kapde nahi mile inko,to engineer bana do...
we only want reservation...
bhaad mein gayi tarakki...
bhaad mein gaya poora nation...
talented student ko maaro laat
OBC certificate hai hamare haath!"

MR.OBCvoice...
im sure you are not less than 40 yrs of age coz had you been a part of generation next,you would have known how much the outlook towards casteism has changed.you are damn selfish..beause your fellow obcs dont even get food twice a day and u want reservatios so that ur son/daughter who is preparing for iit/medical can get through.BUT if there is still casteism in the country is because of people like you...it is deep rooted in ur mind...and yes i may not be surprised if you play JINNAH part 2 and divide the country on caste basis...claiming the separate country for OBCs called BACKWARDISTAAN!!

 
At 5:04 AM, Anonymous mina said...

you know what people...??
some reservation-support activists tried to get into AIIMS lawn where the medicos were protesting and God knows there intention was to create violence...maybe kill one or two medicos so that noone dares to protest again...

HEY Mr obcvoice...so you were talking of violence on our blog??

 
At 5:09 AM, Anonymous saurabh said...

OBCvoice stop visiting the blog..i think you are not able to digest so much unity between OBCs and we the upper caste students...because you want to divide us...BUt dont worry if we are ashamed due to OBCs like you..we are also proud of our fellow OBC medicos who made it into the medical through general catagory...

*I dont know when you would widen your thinking! God help you!

 
At 5:20 AM, Blogger atlas said...

You Medicos have been saving lives for a long time. Looks like this time you might end up saving the nation.
We are with you all the way.

 
At 5:30 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

OBCVoice is no other than a paid stooge of UPA Govt.

United Alliance for dividing India.
Make sure Middle class that you vote out every MP from this UnHoly Alliance in next election..!

DO VOTE

 
At 5:55 AM, Blogger lucifer said...

'OBC'

I DO NOT LIKE USING THE TERM OBC AT ALL. I DO NOT WANT ANY ONE TO BE OBC AT ALL. WHY CANT EVERYONE BE THE SAME. RESERVATION WILL FURTHER DIVIDE THE SOCIETY.

YES ALL "OBC'S" HAVE EXACTLY THE SAME POTENTIAL AS EACH AND EVERYONE OF US AND THAT IS WHY RESERVATIONS ARE NOT REQUIRED. SHOULD'NT THEIR POTENTIAL BE DEVELOPED RATHER THAN GIVING THEM RESERVATIONS......???

ACHIEVING A MARK BELOW DOES MEAN THAT THEY HAVE POTENTIAL BUT IT DOES NOT MEAN THAT THEY SHOULD BE PREFFERED OVER A BETTER SCORING INDIVIDUAL WHEN IT CAN MEAN LIFE OR DEATH FOR A PATIENT.

ALSO U ONCE QUOTED AFFIRMATIVE ACTION IN USA..
I RESEARCHED A LITTLE, IT IS VERY DIFFERENT FROM QUOTAS THAT WE ARE HAVING. IT ONLY MEANS THAT A BLACK/WOMEN SCORING 95% WILL BE PRFFERED MORE THAN A GUY SCORING 95%.
WHERE AS IN INDIA DUE TO QUOTAS A HARDWORKING , HIGH SCORING INDIVIDUAL IS NOT ABLE TO GET A SEAT ,BUT A SC/ST WITH EVEN 40% GETS ADMISSION.

 
At 5:55 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

'OBC'

I DO NOT LIKE USING THE TERM OBC AT ALL. I DO NOT WANT ANY ONE TO BE OBC AT ALL. WHY CANT EVERYONE BE THE SAME. RESERVATION WILL FURTHER DIVIDE THE SOCIETY.

YES ALL "OBC'S" HAVE EXACTLY THE SAME POTENTIAL AS EACH AND EVERYONE OF US AND THAT IS WHY RESERVATIONS ARE NOT REQUIRED. SHOULD'NT THEIR POTENTIAL BE DEVELOPED RATHER THAN GIVING THEM RESERVATIONS......???

ACHIEVING A MARK BELOW DOES MEAN THAT THEY HAVE POTENTIAL BUT IT DOES NOT MEAN THAT THEY SHOULD BE PREFFERED OVER A BETTER SCORING INDIVIDUAL WHEN IT CAN MEAN LIFE OR DEATH FOR A PATIENT.

ALSO U ONCE QUOTED AFFIRMATIVE ACTION IN USA..
I RESEARCHED A LITTLE, IT IS VERY DIFFERENT FROM QUOTAS THAT WE ARE HAVING. IT ONLY MEANS THAT A BLACK/WOMEN SCORING 95% WILL BE PRFFERED MORE THAN A GUY SCORING 95%.
WHERE AS IN INDIA DUE TO QUOTAS A HARDWORKING , HIGH SCORING INDIVIDUAL IS NOT ABLE TO GET A SEAT ,BUT A SC/ST WITH EVEN 40% GETS ADMISSION.

 
At 5:59 AM, Blogger lucifer said...

I HAVE SUDDENLY STARTED LIKING THE IDEA OF RESERVATIONS..........

WHEN I WILL COMPLETE MY MBBS, I WILL HAVE ONE FOR MY PATIENTS TOOOO........

50% FOR GENERAL CATEGORY....OF COURSE...
SO EVEN IF A OBC OR SC/ST WOMEN IS IN LABOUR I STILL WOULD'NT ADMIT HER BECAUSE IT WILL BE THE GROSS VIOLATION OF GOVT'S QUOTA. EVEN IF 'RESERVED' BEDS FOR GENERAL CATEGORY ARE COMPLETELY EMPTY.

EVEN IF A OBC,SC OR ST PATIENT COMES WITH MORE THAN 70% BURNS . I WILL NOT ADMIT HIM . BECAUSE I WILL NOT BE ACCORDING TO OUR GOVT'S STAND.
I WILL NOT EVEN TREAT A 1 MONTH OLD GIRL(OBC....!!!.. OF COURSE )IF MY QUOTA FOR OBC IS UP.

GOD PLEASE FORGIVE ME FOR SAYING ALL THIS....!!

OF COURSE , I AM A DOCTOR AND IN KNOW WAY I AM GOING TO DO THIS..!!

BUT ARJUN SINGH IS DOING THIS TO US . WE ARE THE VICTIMS.....HELP US....!! IF U DONT WANT US TO DO WHAT WE DONT WANT TO DO.

I WANT TO SAY AGAIN THAT I AM NOT AGAINST SC,ST OR OBC IN ANY WAY.
I LOVE AND CARE FOR THEM AT LEAST MUCH MUCH MORE THAN ARJUN SINGH DOES.BUT I AM ONLY AGAINST GOVT.'S RESERVATION POLICY FOR THEM.

I ALSO WANT TO SAY AGAIN THAT WE ARE NOT SAYING THAT BACKWAD'S ARE NOT MERITORIOUS.
THEY ARE AS MERITORIOUS AS WE ARE AND SHOULD BE JUDGED ON THE SAME SCALE AS EVERY BODY ELSE.

 
At 6:01 AM, Blogger lucifer said...

read this

IITs are definitely selection-effect institutions. This is to say that almost all the students who make into IITs are excellent at problem solving & analytical thinking. The time spent in the IITs, though contributes a lot towards the holistic development of the individual, doesn't add that much extra value. Of course, the teachers are good & the facilities are better, but if say an entire batch of IIT would be swapped with the batch of students from say another lower ranked engineering institute, would that affect the bigger picture? I would like to say here that success (the way we define it in the materialistic sense) depends on a lot more than mere ability. You need to apply yourself, persist in tough times & keep on proving yourself again-n-again. So, would that make the original IITians less successful? I'd dare say no. Now, is it the IIT brand name which makes the students, or vice-versa? What makes the IIT brand? The placements, or the quality of students, or the rigorous academic schedule of four years?

In my opinion, its the JEE exam. It makes sure that only the students with great IQ make it into IITs (of course, it isn't exhaustive). This fact is reflected in various other facts, the average GRE & GMAT scores (at least in the analytical section) are much higher in IIT as compared to other colleges. IITians do relatively well at exams like CAT where your analytical abilities are put to test. Recently, most of the software companies & lately, financial firms too, go to various IIT campuses and pick up coders/number crunchers for their work, irrespective of the branch the student studied in IIT. Of course, the coursework at IITs doesn't inculcate the required abilities in the students; they came in with them. I remember, during my very early days at IIT Bombay, the dean once addressed us "freshies". Amidst all the gyaan, he told us that its the five pointers, who go ahead to become millionaires. Of course some of us took this as a cue and went ahead to bask in the notion that they've just got to get a 5 to become a millionaire, but that's not the point. The point is, even the students who constitute the lower half of the class are observed to do very well later on in their lives, enjoy success. Doesn't that say that the contribution of IITs (as in the learning inside the classrooms) in making them what they went ahead to become, was not much? Of course, bad grades mean those students did not apply themselves and have a tendency to lose the focus (if we assume the focus should be on academics).

So what would happen if this quality gets diluted, by let's say, 50% reservation? That would mean that half of the class is made up of the students who didn't do as well in the JEE as the other half. Roughly, it can be said that this would mean that their analytical skills are not at par with their general category colleagues (I say roughly, because I'm seen many exceptions. But in the end, that's what they are, exceptions). It might kill the brand in the longer run, the companies wouldn't get what they pay for and thus would shun IITs. But another outcome, which seems more likely to me, can be a fractured student society at IITs. Since its mandatory to declare that they are from quota at the time of placement, if would divide the placement scenario in two tiers. Different for general quota & reserved quota students. There are only about 10% of students from the SC/ST quota in the IITs, so no such phenomena is observed and they too are benefited from the IIT brandname. But if their percentage gets something like 50%, it might actually affect their chances adversely.

What's the solution for that? Reservation in private sector? To cover up their incompetence? To me it looks as if the government is standing with its back to the Sun. Instead of going in this direction, they should try and provide better education & better access to the primary & secondary educational institutes. If equal opportunities are provided at that level, I don't have any doubt that it will reflect at the tertiary educational level.

Sadly, the logical things almost never fetch the votes.

 
At 6:02 AM, Blogger atlas said...

Dear friends,
We have to address one major problem. We are not organised. I would request the people who have started this movement to contact each other as soon as possible and unite their efforts.

 
At 6:52 AM, Blogger atlas said...

Do not forget to re-iterate one thing every time you speak out against reservations.
WE ARE NOT AGAINST ANY CASTE, BE IT OBC OR SC OR ST.

 
At 8:14 AM, Anonymous gaurav jamwal said...

The movement which started by a spark is now a burning flame which has really shaken the base of the govt. This govt. has no care about the youth and the nation. Hats off to all medicos and others who r struggling day by day for this cause especially the mumbai students who remained unviolent even after being hit by severe blows and harsh treatment of police. The police should b made guilty for their shameful act.

 
At 8:30 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi

This is a fight not against any caste or creed and i think people understand it.This is for the very existence of our identity as citizen of INDIA.
All sections of society wants the poor (irrespective of cast and creed) to be uplifted and do our bit in one way or other but those who have power and means to do stoop to shameless tactics of division of country.I hail from a small village and i feel sorry that my village has not got means of learning and education and not mine but every village has the same story to tell.If we can just view things from not from perspective of mera tera but as humara then we will realize that this is a common loss to everybody and to our country for which lot of blood was shed to gain independece after 200 yrs of slavery and now we are back to a sqaure and this time NETA's from our own country are playing with a whole nation to divide and gain power.Please make sure that they donot succeed in their attempt and we stood stronger than before more united and stand as one irrespective of the fact to which cast we belong to.
It would have been great if we could have used our mother language here in expressing ourselves so that our voice can be heard across the nation.

for the love of nation

 
At 8:31 AM, Anonymous gaurav jamwal said...

People should not b classified as backward on the bass of caste .If someone is talented it will definately show up. Govt. should look upon examples such as Dr.Rela who himself is a OBC candidate but believes that there should be no reservation in education system.

 
At 8:39 AM, Blogger obc voice said...

'Anonymous said...
lstn ppl...y r v wastin time...lets jus kill all these losers....i can safely call myself the most non discriminatory person'

'saurabh said ..OBCvoice stop visiting the blog..i think you are not able to digest so much unity between OBCs and we the upper caste students...because you want to divide us...BUt dont worry if we are ashamed due to OBCs like you..we are also proud of our fellow OBC medicos who made it into the medical through general catagory...'
is that how you love the obcs saurabh - like anonymous?

 
At 9:13 AM, Blogger light_of_erindir said...

sensible people who do not want to hurt anyone's sentiments will go for admission in open university instead of going thru such nonsense...atleast engg. guys can do that.

 
At 10:40 AM, Blogger obc voice said...

indianskoolstudents,
'Anyway,its just futile to justify ur self in front of this obcvoice who doesnt know the meaning of democracy...or what equality means..or what..development means...or what justice means'
you mean 'democracy' demands that the obcs shouldn't get two meals a day and 'equality' means that they shouldn't get any share of 'tarakki'? and that is 'justice'?
right. thanks for enlightening me.

 
At 10:52 AM, Blogger United Students said...

Let's walk the talk.







If your support the students movement

against caste based reservations,

please show it.



Join Delhi RWAs, Trade bodies, civil society groups and various student groups at a Solidarity gathering

at Jantar Mantar

on Saturday 20th May, 2006 at 10 a.m.




The gathering will be peaceful : a silent march by the silent majority



[Let’s step up the pressure]

 
At 11:39 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

This OBC Reservations is just a ploy by the Govt to sneek in the MUSLIM and CHRISTIAN reservations it wanted to get.

Dalits were shown green pastures for converting to Christianity and when the Priests failed to get the SC/ST tags for those "Dalit Christians", the OBC thing was propounded, so that these people don't convert back to Hinduism.

Remember this is not Other Backward Categories but Classes, so bingo - The Vatican has succedeed. This is a sinister ploy of churches and missionaries in India convert Hindu's tribal/rural and no other than Sonia Mano is helping these designs.

This UPA Govt failed to get reservations for muslims after SC hammering, so this OBC reservations

The UPA Govt is proposing to accord minority status to Jains (which are as of now clubbed up with Hindu's) - This is another nail in the coffin of our society.

Mr OBCVoice hope you see some logic in this simple Divide And Rule policy and get into act. Save this nation.

What do you say about reservations on ground of Economical status - EBC's rather tha OBC's? Don't such people merit a reservations?? or is it that only you have been opressed for 1000 years??

So if that be the case, there are many more things to be undone?
What say about hindus persecuted by the Muslim invaders in this country and forcibly converted to Islam??

Persecution and conversion of Hindus by the hands of Portugese in Goa?

Destruction of Hindu temples? The sacred seats of Hinduism in Kashi, Mathura and Ayodhya??

Should all these be corrected as well??

This all is just to DIVIDE HINDU society, as we always have been Brahmins and Baniya's, Gujaratis and Marathis first rather than INDIANS.

Come forward and join this war on saving our tolerant DHARMA. Its because of our tolerant values that we invaders in this nation have been successful.

Btw, the OBC's and SC/ST's that are converting to other faiths now are just one more army that is getting prepared for a war on us - say 50 years from now.

Brothers and sisters, please forget your castes and rise to this occassion...

UNITED WE STAND...

Im not against any faith/caste, but using that as a weapon to divide us, make us hate is bad and I oppose that.

I've full respect to all faiths of our GREAT nation.

 
At 12:22 PM, Blogger Ajinkya said...

now that we have got a bit organised..we have to pledge that we, all the students, will vote, when the elections come.
its quite obvious, that since we dont vote, politicians dont 'need' to woo us.. lets do our duty of voting, and then we could hold them for ransom.
Pledge this in press.. to the effect that, the coming elections will c a unified vote from all the students of india, to the party which opposes the reservations. http://lovecentral.blogspot.com

 
At 12:26 PM, Blogger Ajinkya said...

i am a OBC. and i dont want these cruthes of reservation to base by future upon. and if other candidates need reservation after 15/16 yrs of education, still.. they arent worth the seat they will hold.
Pls, have some dignity ppl, and oppose this reservation at all..
not even the Sc/ST candidates should enjoy this. if 60 yrs of reservation cant help to alleviate the problem, then its prved that this is not the solution.

Lets make ourselves heard, come what may, by hook orby crook.

 
At 12:38 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Someone plz teach these people...the reservation bill has been passed by our parliament and the constitution has been amended...now students think they are above the constitution...now it is not Arjun Singh only....it is our parliament and our constitution

Reservations are here to stay till the caste system is thr...cut the roots (castes) and reservation will disappear...

Those SC/ST/OBCs who dont want reservation are free to compete with the general category...nobody is forcing them to use it...infact it is good...someone else will get a chance...

And one more Question...Which party is opposing reservation???? the bill has been unanimously passed in the parliament...

 
At 7:12 PM, Blogger lucifer said...

READ THIS

Most reserved category students at IIT are not able to cope with the pressure, say professors at IIT-Delhi — substantiating their claim with statistics doled out by the Students Review Committee (SRC).

The SRC, comprising professors, counsels students who perform badly. According to data for the current session, 73 of the 144 students referred to the SRC (for facing academic problems) belong to the reserved category.

IITs have 22.5 per cent of their seats reserved for students from SC/ST category. So out of 2,100 seats for all streams of B Tech in IIT-Delhi, 473 are for quota students.

"There has been no change of trend over a period of time. Of all students referred to the SRC, a major proportion belongs to the reserved category", said a professor.

"The trend is that most of these students lack the very basic knowledge of core subjects in the area. It is not just lower grades, they also face competition related issues. A large number of quota students get good stream like computer sciences and mechanical engineering without much effort. But they can't compete, and mid way they ask for transfer to easier streams like civil engineering and textiles", he said.

In many cases, professors say, reserved category students are unable to take the current load of subjects and ask for load reduction. IIT-Delhi gives this option. The current number of subjects is reduced but instead of completing the course in four years, they take close to six years. In 2004-05, of the 73
students who opted for load reduction, 47 belonged to the reserved category. Already lagging behind, most of them would now have to go in for degree extension.

Professors say instead of enrolling directly into IIT, these students should first be coached. IITs do provide preparatory training to students from the weaker sections. After one year, they are put through an exam and if they pass they are admitted to the technical institute.

"But this is not good enough. What these students lack is basic grounding. So instead of reserving seats in higher education, the government should actually be looking at providing quota at school level," said another professor.

 
At 7:30 PM, Blogger lucifer said...

I HAVE SUDDENLY STARTED LIKING THE IDEA OF RESERVATIONS..........

WHEN I WILL COMPLETE MY MBBS, I WILL HAVE ONE FOR MY PATIENTS TOOOO........

50% FOR GENERAL CATEGORY....OF COURSE...
SO EVEN IF A OBC OR SC/ST WOMEN IS IN LABOUR I STILL WOULD'NT ADMIT HER BECAUSE IT WILL BE THE GROSS VIOLATION OF GOVT'S QUOTA. EVEN IF 'RESERVED' BEDS FOR GENERAL CATEGORY ARE COMPLETELY EMPTY.

EVEN IF A OBC,SC OR ST PATIENT COMES WITH MORE THAN 70% BURNS . I WILL NOT ADMIT HIM . BECAUSE I WILL NOT BE ACCORDING TO OUR GOVT'S STAND.
I WILL NOT EVEN TREAT A 1 MONTH OLD GIRL(OBC....!!!.. OF COURSE )IF MY QUOTA FOR OBC IS UP.

GOD PLEASE FORGIVE ME FOR SAYING ALL THIS....!!

OF COURSE , I AM A DOCTOR AND IN KNOW WAY I AM GOING TO DO THIS..!!

BUT ARJUN SINGH IS DOING THIS TO US . WE ARE THE VICTIMS.....HELP US....!! IF U DONT WANT US TO DO WHAT WE DONT WANT TO DO.

I WANT TO SAY AGAIN THAT I AM NOT AGAINST SC,ST OR OBC IN ANY WAY.
I LOVE AND CARE FOR THEM AT LEAST MUCH MUCH MORE THAN ARJUN SINGH DOES.BUT I AM ONLY AGAINST GOVT.'S RESERVATION POLICY FOR THEM.

I ALSO WANT TO SAY AGAIN THAT WE ARE NOT SAYING THAT BACKWAD'S ARE NOT MERITORIOUS.
THEY ARE AS MERITORIOUS AS WE ARE AND SHOULD BE JUDGED ON THE SAME SCALE AS EVERY BODY ELSE.

 
At 7:54 PM, Blogger lucifer said...

Read this

To my very respected Mr. PRESIDENT,
I HATE MY COUNTRY................................................!!!!!!!!!!!!!I hate my motherland.............!!I dont love my country any more, that's because my country men , my country does not care for me..................... at all.....!!!!
I AM DISOWNED BY MY OWN COUNTRY...................................
My name is Prakash, i work in a callcentre in gurgaon and wanted to appear for CAT. But now with RESERVATIONS i have serious change of plan.....! I am not afraid to compete. I can compete with anyone, with my sheer hardwork and my self confidence if the talent is the criteria, but how can i compete if the criteria is caste.............................!!!!!
I will rather give GMAT and go abroad , not because i love to do it but rather i dont have any other option....!!!
My father is a terminal ill cancer patient and my younger sister is still in college. I still apart from my job manage to teach slum children daily for four hours along with my mother. I prepare for CAT in my remaining hours. I WAS ONE OF THE MANY INSPIRED BY U TO REALIZE YOUR VISION 2020. Once as a student u made me pledge that i will teach as many as i can, but i no longer feel like doing so.....!!
I don't want to teach those kids now ( most of them belonging to so called backward class) because they will sooner or later be responsible for depriving a meritorious student like me of his rightful chance.
Reservation will do nothing but destroy confidence and spirit of many hard working students just like me. How can reservation in IIT,IIM or Medical help poor students i teach those, who really require upliftment. They dont even know how to read and write......!!!!!!! They are not disciminated on the basis of caste or underpieviledged due to their caste.
Reservations in the end will benefit only those who do not require them at all, as well as harm general students, society at large and the most of all your VISION 2020. Are u ready to sacrifice your vision for the sake of votebank politics of some politicians.....................??????
My callcentre too asked to which category i belonged to . With reservations in Pvt. sector even my job is in doubt. Words like 'mother land' or 'my country' do not make me a bit patriotic but rather fill my heart with disgust.
Does my country love me.....???No, i dont think so .....!
But, should i still love my country............................. I ask you .... ??
Prakash

 
At 8:40 PM, Blogger indianskoolstudents said...

OBCvoice...
i am not surprised.it is your habit to manipulate the situation to show your bloody becharapan...
when did i say OBCs dont deserve food?BUT snatching it away or stealing is not justified.
If an OBC doesnt have good clothes,we will not remove the clothes of a rich child to give him.
BUt as I said,its futile to talk to you...you carry on with your BACKWARDISTAN funda...may u get a separate country where you feel safe from our nautankis and we manu sharmas.

 
At 8:51 PM, Blogger indianskoolstudents said...

Lal bahadur shastri was actually Lal bahadur VERMA but he ceased to write his surname in order to tell people that he wants India to be free from castes.He condemned any kind of bias on the basis of caste and propagated it to people that there should be equality among the masses.

Another incident that reveals his condemnation of injustice was when his son went to get a job in the government office.The incharge asked him his name.He replied "Anil Shastri".Then a little puzzled he asked "Are you in some way related to Dr.lal bahadur shastri??" "Yes,he is my father."
hearing this the incharge man stood up and said..."Are apne kyu takleef ki?Ek phone kar dete naukri pakki ho jati!" to which his reply was "No my father said i have to do things on my own and not be successful because Im his son.I should not use his name to move forward in life."

And look today...admissions are being encouraged on the basis of castes.What a shame INDIA!!

 
At 9:00 PM, Blogger indianskoolstudents said...

MR obcvoice
u talk of food??certainly the hunger strike for you is nautanki??meal not given to OBCs twice a day means they need IIT hostel food?
My uncle is in government skool (on his own merit-no quota) and he tells me that the english teacher there is OBC-quota catagory.
She doesnt know how to spell register,receipt,attendence or doesnt know how to write an application.MY uncle(who is a drawing teacher there) knows more than him....imagine!!
AB soch kya haal hoga...doctors ko ya pata nahi hoga ke syringe kya hota hai?
quota engineer ki banai hui buildings gir jaya karengi..log marenge...quota doctors ke mariz marenge...tab akkal thikane ayegi in so called 'intelligent and concerned' parliamentaries ki!!

OBCvoice,you just want all the OBCs to be in IIT/IIM/AIIMS but u dont even care if they dont know how to write abc...

 
At 9:11 PM, Anonymous manee said...

CASE 1
YOU:should i go and ask him to quit his 40,00p.m job?
ME:well actually it is 40,000.not 4000 (not even 40,00!!)
and i think you dint get it,i stated it here becoz all OBCs may not be economically backward,or economically backward may not be OBCs.Thats it.

CASE 2
YOU:i realize you very desperately need to believe in the idea that there-are-no-castes-in-the-country - so you cling to any tiny bit of evidence to prop up your world-view..
ME:ohh...have i not been coherent enough or something?
err well then for the same reason,maybe due to lack of time you missed out on few of lines quoted by me...im just copy pasting them.here you go....

MY STAND: here i do agree with you,caste is a serious problem...it is a disease that will ruin the heart of india.but dont you think that snatching away the seat of a meritorious student(here assuming that if the quota applicant is less meritorious,if more or equally talented,he is certainly welcome),such an act would certainly not increase love,benevolence,respect and sympathy for the OBC/ST/SC people?her you will have to agree,it would rather worsen.IT already has.

NOW TELL ME,IF YOU DONT AGREE,WHAT IS YOUR STAND??

CASE 3:
YOU:i had observed that the public seemed to have been created with interests of the upper castes in view because they had/have cornered most of the jobs there..

ME:firstly and frankly,i could not get the logic behind this argument of yours,so just please elaborate.
however,if i still try to re-read it..it just seems to portray that YOU very desperately need to believe in the idea that there-are-just-upper-castes-in-the-country-given-preference so you cling to any tiny bit of evidence to prop up your world-view..
BUT...but MERIT=PREFERENCE
then you would say,
OBCs were not fortunate enough?they are waiting for justice....blah blah...
are you trying to directly imply that OBCs are not competent enough to enter so called 'elitist' institutions on their own??
here you will again say that there were no schooling facilities for them till establishment of 'KAKA KALEKAR-1955' (or perhaps MANDAL COMMISSION??as late as 1978...1990...1993?)
then perhaps they are available now,arent they?perhaps im mistaken again,certainly the OBCs DO have access to schooling now??rt?that is why all they need is IIT/AIIMS/professional colleges' seats right?ALL the OBCs have been preparing to get into engg and medical(note that i have deliberately used ALL here-becoz now reservations are being implemented on the basis of % population so i have to assume this fact, to be mathematically correct.)but thay are year by year denied admission becoz the elite want only upper castes,rt?
THATs exactly why(or should be why)you are suporting reservations...educationally backward need to be forwarded (let alone the fact-at the cost of a deserving meritorious student becoz you cat 100% gaurantee a quota student to be as meritorious,surely??)

BRUTAL TRUTH: my frend's first cousin is preparing for medical for the past 5 years.he has given the DPMT exam 4 times in a row and everytime missed out by the skin of his teeth.HAD he been an OBC,he could have gotten in so easily,first attempt itself.isnt it?BUt anyway thats FAIR.LET him prepare for another year...he deserves no priviledges,becoz his fore-fore-fore fathers were injust to OBCs(then untouchables).why care for him eh?yeah...fair enough!
49.5% exclusively for the lower castes(and classes),rest for the rest of the people,what merit man...ALL OBCS/STS/SCS will be admitted,general catagory should compete 800 students per seat,but look!!!we are giving so much to the socially,economically and educationally backward...hey isnt that the purpose of reservations?
the 799 per seat may like to go abroad(the small margin who can afford-rest can sit home and try for another year)
no worries if BRain drain is favoured due to this...country's progress depends on OBCs!!NOT MERIT...
hey OBCvoice,you were right.i have begun to agree with you.

 
At 2:02 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

brahmin or sc,
bharat ek hai,
problem to yeh hai ki,
humare sab neta fake hain.


keep up to what u guys r doing.

 
At 5:19 AM, Anonymous soumya said...

hi, from kolkata, it's request to YFE, not to loose our aim.. govt knows medicos have not enough time after caring patients, studing,but it's totally wrong.if they r delaying, we will fight untill the earth is present.

 
At 5:21 AM, Anonymous soumya said...

hi, from kolkata, it's request to YFE, not to loose our aim.. govt knows medicos have not enough time after caring patients, studing,but it's totally wrong.if they r delaying, we will fight untill the earth is present.

 
At 5:21 AM, Anonymous soumya said...

hi, from kolkata, it's request to YFE, not to loose our aim.. govt knows medicos have not enough time after caring patients, studing,but it's totally wrong.if they r delaying, we will fight untill the earth is present.

 
At 7:11 AM, Blogger Ajinkya said...

@obc voice

whatever the caste politics that was and is a part of indian polity and the indian job scene : i am saying, that i have a conscience to answer to, which doesnt let me enjoy this aparthied in the way of reservation to me. I am not a party to this.
and who made u the crusader for obc's.... while replying to me, u went 'we we we'.. who we? u r not a representive of the entire OBC community. and dont spread the farce of being so.
about those kids i spoke of.. they arent victimised because they are OBC's.. they are victimised b'coz they are poor. period. politicians and babus dont go around watching out for castes while sucking blood of poors. they have only one religion - money. to stand up against them, we need to stand united. and here u are, all over deviding the nation.
If their is a reservation afterall.. i think, the merit shouldnt be lowered. let the reserved seats remain vacant if there arent enough of qualified participants.

This bloody mindset, is the only reason that India's dream of being a superpower remains just that: a dream.
thanx to these reservations we have developed an attitude of 'chalta hai'.
while a dalit student may be intelligent, he will not study, because he needs not do so, to get where he wants to get the admission.

All that this farce is doing is, giving anoter excuse to be inept.

 
At 9:06 AM, Blogger indianskoolstudents said...

Ajinkya

I think you deserve a standing ovation from all of us!!
MAY equality long live...
WE ALL ARE ONE....
HIP HIP.....HURRAY! :-)

 
At 9:09 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

i am not from the upper caste, i am not from the lower caste, i am not an untouchable, i am not ab obc, i am not a scheduled tribe. i am an INDIAn. be indian, reservations r not an answer. i like to relate to people as people , not as obc or sc or st. the government is dividing us. please dont let this happen.

 
At 9:47 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

go on we are with u

 
At 11:13 PM, Anonymous Gyvi said...

He Krishna kahan chhip gaye ?
Punah dharti par aavo.
Apne adhir Arjun ko
phir se sat-path par laavo.

Is baar parantu apna man,
Kuch kada banakar aana.
Yah aaj ka Arjun hai, keshav
Mat isse dekh ghabrana
Hum aas lagaye baithe hain,
Tum aavo to samjhavo
He Krishna kahan chhip gaye ?
Punah dharti par aavo.

Us baar dekh ran mein swajan
Tha issne Gandeev jhukaya
Is baar dekh voto’n ka ran
Hai isne bramhastra chalaya
Par khade saamne hum wohi swajan
Kuch isski aankhein khulvaao
He Krishna kahan chhip gaye ?
Punah dharti par aavo.

Le Vishwanath se phir talwar,
Hai chala saadhne apna swarth
Arjun “quota” ka shastra liye
Hain khade Shikhandi kai saath
Jaati – jaati ke tukdon mein
Bant raha hai desh – bachao
He Krishna kahan chhip gaye ?
Punah dharti par aavo.

Rehna thoda hoshiyar Hare,
Yah tumko bhi samjhayega
Tum bhi to thehre OBC
Tum ko bhi seat dilayega
Kar ke bheeshan hunkar prabho,
Ise apna swaroop dikhlaavo
He Krishna kahan chhip gaye ?
Punah dharti par aavo.

Hain pet agar khali to kya
Man mein to hai ek nirbhay prun
Ham sab hain inke saath Hari,
Aaye Arjun ya Duryodhan
Yah mang rahe kuch aur nahin
Inko bus nyaya dilaavo
He Krishna kahan chhip gaye ?
Punah dharti par aavo.

Hain adharm ki raah par
Bahut door nikle Neta
Apni gaddi chod, bachon ka
Dukh bhi dikhayi na deta
Khud se na milega swarg inhe
Tum hi kuch source lagaavo
He Krishna kahan chhip gaye ?
Punah dharti par aavo.

 
At 12:03 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

From monday 23 start wearing a black cloth around
Hey Friends Please read it Carefully

From monday 23 start wearing a black cloth around right wrist.

In these days there we are suffering from a big politicaly created problem. And i think there is no solution of it unless untill each and every people come forward against it. In India no political party have will power to come against it or they don want to do so(Because they are afraid of vote bank loss). and what the youngstyers are doing is not easy 4 every person but there is big community of people want to do protest and there is afire against it.

So I have an idea to spread this protest from ur home to the whole world This idea strogly requires the support of our friends who are living abroad or working.

Jai hind

 
At 8:59 AM, Anonymous Koustubh said...

Hi Friends,
We are on the right move. But we should not accept the govt. policy to increase the no. of seats to increase the reservation % in that institute. This never can be the solution to this problem. If the students of reserve catagory are provided with the same hostel, same water, same food, same staff members, same library, same lending unit i.e.same facilities Still they don't have to fees, they have extra scholarships then why there is need for the reservation in the post gradution??? By increasing no. of seats govt. is not able to maintain the same quality education. The only solution is to remove the reservation in post gradution. It is my (our) kind request to our leaders not to accept this policy to increase the no. of seats. By accepting this those students are able to get 27% of proposed resevation. So be alert.
Those students get reservation at 5 levels(ie.primary, secondary, higher secondary..)Why they need for 6th one??? At least they show their merit at 6th stage

 
At 2:54 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi Friends,
I am so proud of the youth of the country for coming out and protesting against this injustice. I am an Indian Citizen, currently living in the USA. I assure u guys that u have the support of most of the NRI community.

I am ashamed to say that I voted for this Government. Why do we need a govt.whose only objective is to get more votes? I strongly urge the nation to bring down these vote-hungry, nation-wrecking politicians.

There was a comment posted saying that there are reservations for blacks in the USA. That is very untrue. Some government jobs are required to take in visible minorities but if and only if their qualifications and academics are on par with the whites.

Keep up the good work and God Bless!!!!!

 
At 2:47 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think when our govt. wants to uplift rural sections of society and provide them with essential health care,those people who get a M.B.B.S seat thru reservation shud be made to sign a bond that they will serve in rural areas (or their native places)for atleast 5 years.On the contrary,they are gifted with a P.G. seat immediately after passing M.B.B.S without any efforts while depriving the deserving ,meritorious,hard working candidates in making a contribution to progress in the medicine at national and international level.This is creating a total imbalance . Only a fool can let this go on.

 
At 5:54 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Many centuries people of England ruled on India by using method of Divide and Rule Now people of "Italy" coming to rule india by same method.

 
At 5:57 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Many centuries people of England ruled on India by using method of Divide and Rule Now people of "Italy" coming to rule india by same method.

 
At 6:07 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Can Arjun Singh himself take such decision without the consent of Sonia . It is a game plan of Sonia to polarize voters in coming election of UP. Until we not shout slogan against Sonia congresi will not bother.

 
At 11:02 AM, Anonymous Harsh Agarwal said...

This is a humble request to all the respondents on this blog to write with dignity. Using abusive language do no good but will only dent all the hard work. Can we not give every person to express his or her opinion? Let us not forget that this struggle is for the cause of equality and right to express is no different.

So Dear Friends, please be calm and strong.
Thank you!

P.S: This request is also extended to people who hold anti-struggle sentiments.

 
At 11:17 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sincere thanks to the moderator/author of this blog and request to kindly sort the posts so that Latest post appears on top.
Thank you for all your hard work. You are paving the way for all citizens of the country.

I think that when we'll do away with this reservation, the so-called beneficiaries of this policy will have a chance to grow in real sense. It will be only then that people from the 'left-out' communities will be able to learn to stand on their own. The reservation policies are making them handicap and dependent. I hope these people also realize this view soon. Regards.

 
At 12:54 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hello All,

Keep your gud work!!Lets make a difference.. Medicos/Non - Medicos/All Parents. please dont wait for anybody now..come on and join the hands..... No body else but only we can make the differenc.Please don't think that "someone else will join the protest","the policy wont affect me!!" If not NOW then NEVER!!

 
At 1:13 PM, Blogger Ancient Clown said...

There is a reason they are called POLICE and not GUARDIANS. The youth, especially on low income are DAILY harrassed, threatened, molested and have their belongings STOLEN by POLICE...all in the name of the LAW...not GOD's LAW mind you...but man's rules which he calls laws.
I don't think I know...I just know I'm thinking.
your humble servant,
>Ancient Clown

 
At 7:25 PM, Anonymous Rajesh Pande said...

Rajesh Pande said...
you would not klnow a revolution if it was staring in your face. Can you ever imagine Bhagat Singh or Bismil or Chandershekhar Azad standing by for such an opportunistic and parochial set of young people as you. We all know that if this reservations crap had not cropped up, NOT ONE of you would have ever even raised the issue of inadequate reservation implementation by the government.
Not ONE among you will opt to work among the rural poor.
Not one among you will stay back in India given a chance you get to go to the UK, Australia, Europe, Canada or USA.
Not one of you have every fought for a cause which involves others and not just your self.
Not one of you will be able to stand up for the poor or the underpriviledged when they are under attack by the police or even by upper castes.

 
At 7:32 PM, Blogger kadampa said...

Against All Discriminations
We must demand and unite in our fight to abolish of all forms of discrimination and reservations:
ABOLISH ALL FEES FOR EDUCATION AND ABOLISH CAPITATION FEE/PRIVATE EDUCATION: (Germany has free education for all)
Good Quality Education must be a social need and FREE which has to be fulfilled by the state. After all we do pay taxes to the government to provide us quality services. It is when, we the middle class chose to opt out of government schools that education suffered. If there were ONLY government schools we ALL (irrespective of castes) would have united much earlier and could have really kicked ass and ensured good education for all. The same happened with water, electricity, transport, health services etc. We let the government take us for a long long ride - we did not fight... instead we chose an easy way out...today we all have aquaguards, generators, invertors, personal cars etc. and the government is sitting on its fat arse doing nothing.NOTHING. Forget higher education...Why cant the government supply clean drinking water even after 55 years of independence???Why must we buy aquaguards while the poor ( irrespective of their caste) continue to suffer???
Why should we pay taxes and then have to pay again and again for services which are useless, while an idiot with cash becomes a doctor simply by buying his way through into private medical colleges??? WHY??
kadampa

 
At 6:36 AM, Blogger Nishant Kumar said...

I support all your activities, see my blog: http://o3.indiatimes.com/indiareserved

We need to work in planned way, as reservation will never be abolished by the will of the ruling party only. As it is their bread and butter and every party supports it in their agenda for the game of votes and politics.

We need to target that issue which will disintegrate the ruling party Congress from its other allies and other parties. Only then other politicians from different parties will come forward to support our cause. It can be said that Congress has failed in implementing the reservation, when after so many years of providing reservation, still poor people are in need of reservation. Reservation is just the eyewash, and actually Congress wants to attract votes from backward classes and playing dirty politics. We need to attach many more supporting issues to this reservation issue that would show the failure of congress, so Congress party is BAD. If this will be motto, then focus will come on the credibility of the party, and eventually the party will try to makeover its stand on Reservation.

 
At 12:25 AM, Blogger janki said...

youth 4 equality is doing a great job go ahead we r there wth u.let the country know what diffrence can the youth make and let the political parties know that we can even force them to change their brutal policies

 
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